tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post9215794407874519827..comments2022-12-11T16:59:58.997+11:00Comments on DES Exposure Australia: Forced Adoption Victims and DESCarol Devinehttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00326123531527728288noreply@blogger.comBlogger8125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-69777720321736650442011-07-16T13:11:16.421+10:002011-07-16T13:11:16.421+10:00Bringing involved groups together is for the purpo...Bringing involved groups together is for the purpose of running surveys and collating results about possible adverse effects of DES. The benefits of this work would ultimately be passed on to the many individuals who are not involved with groups.Carol Devinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326123531527728288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-28186467594670701002011-07-16T12:26:46.201+10:002011-07-16T12:26:46.201+10:00...We read at your witness at committee: ...."......We read at your witness at committee: ...."a suggestion was made to bring all incolved groups together ...."<br />(words to this effect.)<br />What about individuals and their associates who have realistic concerns about DES? <br />This has been left out of the 'suggestions' why?<br />And why did DES Action Group not raise this.<br />There are many people who are not affiliated to 'Adoption' or 'DES' 'groups' yet remain with deserving their views heard and acknowledged humanity concerns about DES.<br />Australia is made up of many diverse people, each and every one having a responsible right to voice human concerns about any human rights and social issues concerns, inlcuding re. this one.<br />Thank you for giving this your understanding Carol Devine and DES Action Group.<br />We acknowledge the good you have done.<br />We accept however, there are more than groups who have and/or would submitt/ed material to the Senate inquiry and also to the DES site, constructively.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-40088276254896702212011-06-25T19:25:46.450+10:002011-06-25T19:25:46.450+10:00Bronwyn, thank you for commenting. There are a num...Bronwyn, thank you for commenting. There are a number of obstacles in progressing the issue of DES usage as lactation suppressant. The major one is the fact there has been NO research world-wide about this particular usage of DES (and this has been verified by DES Action USA). The knowledge alone that DES is a carcinogenic substance is not enough. Progress is hinged on the existence of research to confirm adverse effects on this particular usage. Another obstacle has been the lack credible surveys by Forced Adoption groups to show any health effects that would indicate to governments/researchers the need for research. The group DES Action Australia-NSW only has anecdotal evidence of a survey by the group "Origins". (The only copy of this survey is in a document held by the NSW Parliamentary Inquiry "Releasing the Past" and this document has been deemed not for public viewing.) The DES Action Australia-NSW submission to the current Federal Inquiry is there for all the world to see. Should nothing be done by government towards researching this problem as a result of this Inquiry, then at least the information in the submission should be enough to spur Forced Adoption groups in Australia to work towards surveying the health of those mothers given DES as lactation suppressant (sometimes in large doses) and then to produce these results to government/researchers. I also wish to add that this blog site is testimony of the difficulties encountered with government, even when research does confirm adverse effects with DES usage during pregnancy. Advice by the National Health and Medical Research Council is that research about DES in Australia is not a priority. It does not help where the government's Therapeutic Goods Administration is 100% funded by pharmaceutical industries. The DES Action group in NSW is unfunded, run by volunteers.Carol Devinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326123531527728288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-16753378058906336622011-06-24T15:35:08.787+10:002011-06-24T15:35:08.787+10:00The horrifying bullying which occured during the b...The horrifying bullying which occured during the baby scoop era included the use of Stilboestral/DES or other banes for same drug (used without informed knowing what it was and also whilst girls were under influence of other coerced drugs to sedate them into signing consents.<br />DES Action Group we wonder how and when you are going to raise this further 'cause this drug was and is known as carcinogenic.<br />Where's the justice unless this drug company compensate.<br />We are terrified this happened and could again if some American drug company plays 'guinea pigs' with their multi national company drugs.<br />Shameful behaviour from producers of DES. <br />Exposure in manistrean media and further afield.<br />The DES action group is pussy footing, and what's the point. this is not incidental it's very unethical and unjust.<br />Bronwyn and family (Adoptive children and parents)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-33933110124631064232011-05-19T02:13:40.082+10:002011-05-19T02:13:40.082+10:00There is very much evidence of DES damaging girls,...There is very much evidence of DES damaging girls, women when used as a de-lactate.<br />Smd what is this that you as an organisation ar accountable to the government only Carol Devine.<br /><br />There is something odd about this site and our barister is taking steps to see what it is.<br /><br />Take careAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-77460895462024049122011-02-14T17:14:02.228+11:002011-02-14T17:14:02.228+11:00DES or Stilboestral was and is a known carcinogeni...DES or Stilboestral was and is a known carcinogenic given as a de-lactate to 'unwed' vulnerable and guileless young girls and women who were abondoned by their male counterpart, and society at large.<br /><br />The drug companies promoted this as a de-lactate amongst ither things, and now state they did not.<br />Do these drug companies feel no shame?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-4214681235529547002011-02-10T09:47:04.891+11:002011-02-10T09:47:04.891+11:00Thank you for commenting on this post. I am sorry ...Thank you for commenting on this post. I am sorry to hear of your ordeals and health problems. The submissions are based on what we have seen and heard and attempts to leave no stone unturned in responding to government, even by offering estimation figures. It is baffling and frustrating that there has been no research on any possible health effects of DES usage as a lactation suppressant. The first submission gives details of its usage as lactation suppressant across the wide spectrum of women. At the moment, attributing any health problems to this usage is only speculation. The submission's suggestion for research on those women given DES in excessive dosages includes suggestion that a comparison study also be done of ALL women receiving normal doses.Carol Devinehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00326123531527728288noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2471361847515108622.post-92071806950484084012011-02-10T00:41:16.094+11:002011-02-10T00:41:16.094+11:00Congratulations on your 2 submissions to the Force...Congratulations on your 2 submissions to the Forced Adoptions Inquiry. I am concerned that you are mentioning STATE WARDS - the majority of natural mothers who were injected with DES WITHOUT CONSENT were not State Wards and the figure of 100,000 is incorrect also.<br /><br />Natural mothers were given DES to stop lactation and whilst the unborn baby could be affected by this drug, the natural mothers were not given this drug UNTIL AFTER THE BIRTH OF THEIR BABY. Grave concerns must continually be raised for the health of the natural mother.<br /><br />As a natural mother I suffered uterus cancer 5 years after receiving DES to stop lactation without my consent and at the age of 23 had to undergo a hysteroctomy because of uterus cancer. An inquiry into the amount of natural mothers who suffered cancer after receiving this drug to stop lactation must be held. <br /><br />The company that made this drug have advised THAT USING DES TO STOP LACTATION was never recommended by the manufacturers therefore those that used DES in this manner have illegal used DES against the instructions of the manufacturers. This further highlights intent and disregard for the lives of natural mother. The subjects need to be separated under this forced adoption inquiry - NATURAL MOTHERS RECEIVED DES and the majority were not STATE WARDS. So it would be appreciated if your submission could be amended deleting THE WORDING STATE WARDS because any contact with CLAN immediately gives the impression STATE WARDS and that too is incorrect. Stating also FORCED ADOPTION VICTIMS - I am not a victim - I am a natural mother who was illegal separated from my baby at birth WITHOUT MY CONSENT and received the DES drug as well as other lethal drugs i.e. phycho-pharamcetical treatment to forget my baby and throughout my life I have suffered many forms of cancer i.e. uterus, breast and brain tumours all as a result of DES and this has been agreed upon by my specialists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com